Rogue Spec?

[quote=Dvahlish;2476]Im presuming the weps you are talking about are the warglaives?
Yes they are available....guess who they drop off..illidan himself.
They are orange items which means they are legendary and drop from illidan about 40% of the time.
They are not something you will see alot of players with
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Think i saw a gnome running arounf wif it strapped to his back once though...that was funny...the wpn was bigger than him...i could be wrong though...

What about the warglaives the Sentinels use? I'd settle for those...do they drop from Sentinels?

Anyway, i might switch to swords later on, I'm thinking of switching my hunter to two-handed swords or polearms anyway...

I tried using swords and the damage output is fantastic and it takes away positioning problems...alot dagger skills have to be behind opponent.

But with swords, alot of the rogue's cool skills cannot be used. Skills like ambush and backstab which have really cool dmg cant be used.

Has anyone tried a build with dagger in main hand and sword in off-hand? This way, the dagger skills could still be used...

Im quite sure you would need daggers in both hands to use dagger effects.

I guess it depends on how you like to play your rogue, I personally found it slow and frustrating sneaking up on mobs and using backstab and ambush moves. Its so much quicker to level using combat swords.
My advice would be to level combat swords and then change back to subtlety after level 60-70 perhaps?

Sub/daggers is really the most useful in PVP, not questing or raiding.

I restarted a NE rogue on a server more suited to my timezone...

Now lvl12 and in a nice guild...but when they realized i was building for combat swords every1 started yelling at me to go assasin/daggers...haha. Said they had no problems leveling their rogues with dageers.

Here's what i was thinking, swords eliminates having to sneak up on mobs right? but most of the rogues high dmg skills cant be used leaving basically sinister strike...Also they have slower attacks. Seems like swords build would also suffer in PVP?

If i use daggers, even if i used sinister strike only, wouldnt the faster attacks make up for the lower damage? that plus the dagger skills would theoritically make for a higher dps build right?

Just bouncing off ideas off ppl who know rogues better. What do you think?

Well, there are a couple of problems with that. The more often you swing, the more chances you have to miss, and thus do less damage. But it also has a bonus to missing, because your attacks do less damage (from having a faster weapon), your misses don't affect your damage rate as much as missing with a slower weapon. Things like sinister Strike are effected by your weapon damage, which depends on the speed of the weapon. The lower the speed, the more damage a move like Sinister Strike or Heroic Strike do. So a rogue's damage may actually be higher in sword spec, simply because the slower weapons lead to more damaging effect abilities. Unless Sinister Strike is a 'on next melee' ability, rather than an 'Instant' ability, like I think it is. Then, because it replaces your melee attack, it lowers the total white damage you cause, but raises the total damage you cause by a lot smaller amount than if it were an instant attack.

With the dagger talent bonus, you get a 5% increased crit chance, I believe (if I'm wrong, correct me) and with the sword skill, you get a 5% chance of getting an extra swing on every normal attack (again, I think, but if I'm wrong, correct me). So between the two, they'd probably end up with similar increases in damage.

Its not that most higher damage skills can't be used, mostly its the ones that come directly out of stealth, like Ambush and Backstab that can't be used by sword spec rogues. And those abilities have a lot lower damage potential as a dagger rogue, simply because daggers have a lower top damage (which is what is used to figure out how much damage most abilities cause), so you're not exactly loosing too much damage by not using them. As far as I know anyways, I'm not a rogue. Anyways, this pretty much makes it up to you what you want to do.

I'd prefer swords, while leveling at least, simply because not needing stealth makes leveling go by that much faster.

This information is all a combination of second hand information about rogues and quite a bit of guesswork from what I know about how WoW works, so if any of its wrong, please, correct away.

lol rogues getting nerfed *happy dance*. But best way to level is combat swords. Period.

Sold on Combat Swords now...very impressive damage...dagger skills strike for really cool damage but its only out of stealth. Once uncloaked, swords do far more consistant higher damage. Was in a SFK the other day with a Mage, Warrior, Priest and another Lvl 29 Rogue who had enchanted blue daggers. Was the lowest level there but still did 44% of the damage. really cool

Which is more important for a combat sword rogue? Crit or hit ratings? I've heard from some that more hit ratings will have better damage..

I think it probably depends on what you're going for, pve or pvp. I'm a caster but hit is the most important for pve, hit isn't really used in pvp.

Rogue was my very first character. Even though I read as much as I could and leveled using combat swords I still found it to be a struggle. Then when I was about lvl 30 I found Osiris Rogue Guide(it's absolutely free btw - Osiris never charged for what he gave to the community). This changed my toon's life - all of a sudden leveling became blindingly fast and I was having so much fun it was ridiculous.

I highly recommend this guide for ANY new rogue - and for quite a few old rogues as well.

Unfortunately Osiris left the WOW community a few months ago and there will be no further updates to this great guide - but he was a GREAT player and a real boon to the rogue community and will be missed.